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butbob New Member

Join Date: March 11, 2013 Posts: 6 Religion: catholic

Re: Different religion

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No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life.


yes PJM -- one baptism-- after reviewing your posts-- Hmmm

Consider these FACTS:[all provable from the bible itself; space permitting]

Because we KNOW their is Only One God: "Perfect and Triune" their logically and factually can Only be One right set of Faith beliefs. God who IS Perfect simply cannot hold differing; even contradictory views on the identical issues. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Christ invented the term "church" to make clear



Published on Mar 21, 2013

This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013

. To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com.






He was founding a New and a Necessary way to heaven
Pagans had Temples
Jews had Synagogues
Christ followers WOULD have "church's"



Bias in the Bible: Does "Church" really mean "Church"?

Bias in the Bible: Why say "Church" instead of "Synagogue"?


from March 9, 2013.

To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com.





Because the Bible was completely authored by the end of the 1st. Century;

yes this was correct-- the TORAH and the prophets and Saint pauls writings

the Bibles Canon set [the books selected and confirmed as Divinely Inspired] in the early 4th. Century

FALSE teaching by PJM

AND NO OTHER "CHURCH" would even exist for about 700 years

not true-- the church of Constantine started at 310 ad

at this time all Jewish traditions were stopped





; each and every reference to "church" in the bible refers ONLY to today's CC.

ONLY the CC has




Jesus own protection Jn. 17: 15-19
The SEVEN Sacraments EACH instituted by Jesus Himself
Jesus TRULY Present in the Eucharist
The Sacrament of KNOWN forgiveness of sins [the Only method APPROVED by God]
The Entirety of Christ Faith Teachings
The ONLY Key's and access to heaven

So anyone; and everyone for ANY reason who chooses to abandon the CC does factually put their SOULS at grave risk.


interesting false doctrine of PJM-- but as you have demonstrated --

"All scripture is open for your personal interpretation "PJM





St Paul warns of DIRE consequences for those who deny and abandon Christ only founded Church and set of Faith beliefs:

Heb. 6: 4-8 "For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt.

IT IS FAR MORE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE EFFORT TO LEARN WHAT AND WHY WE BELIEVE AS WE DO BECAUSE IT IS; because IT IS;


yes PJM

there is a singular truth presented by YAWAH in the TORAH- and as Jesus said he was not adding to it or taking away from it"

the CC sure has added to it and changed it.

i suggest you go on line and review the "truth Project"

as Jesus said -- to Cesar -- he came to bear witness to the truth-

The Truth Project - What is a Worldview?

he Truth Project Lesson 2 Teaser - "Philosophy and Ethics: Says Who?"

http://youtu.be/k51PgdUv__E




THE SINGULAR TRUTH! It is the singular and normal path to conditional salvation. Amen.

Heaven and Hell are REAL. Pray about it.

God bless,

Posted by PJM View Post No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life.

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butbob New Member   Join Date: March 11, 2013 Posts: 6 Religion: catholic

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by PJM No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life. yes PJM -- one baptism-- after reviewing your posts-- Hmmm Consider these FACTS:[all provable from the bible itself; space permitting] Because we KNOW their is Only One God: "Perfect and Triune" their logically and factually can Only be One right set of Faith beliefs. God who IS Perfect simply cannot hold differing; even contradictory views on the identical issues. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. Christ invented the term "church" to make clear Published on Mar 21, 2013 This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013 . To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com. He was founding a New and a Necessary way to heaven Pagans had Temples Jews had Synagogues Christ followers WOULD have "church's" Because the Bible was completely authored by the end of the 1st. Century; the Bibles Canon set [the books selected and confirmed as Divinely Inspired] in the early 4th. Century AND NO OTHER "CHURCH" would even exist for about 700 years; each and every reference to "church" in the bible refers ONLY to today's CC. ONLY the CC has Jesus own protection Jn. 17: 15-19 The SEVEN Sacraments EACH instituted by Jesus Himself Jesus TRULY Present in the Eucharist The Sacrament of KNOWN forgiveness of sins [the Only method APPROVED by God] The Entirety of Christ Faith Teachings The ONLY Key's and access to heaven So anyone; and everyone for ANY reason who chooses to abandon the CC does factually put their SOULS at grave risk. interesting false doctrine of PJM-- but as you have demonstrated -- "All scripture is open for your personal interpretation "PJM St Paul warns of DIRE consequences for those who deny and abandon Christ only founded Church and set of Faith beliefs: Heb. 6: 4-8 "For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt. IT IS FAR MORE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE EFFORT TO LEARN WHAT AND WHY WE BELIEVE AS WE DO BECAUSE IT IS; because IT IS; yes PJM there is a singular truth presented by YAWAH in the TORAH- and as Jesus said he was not adding to it or taking away from it" the CC sure has added to it and changed it. i suggest you go on line and review the "truth Project" as Jesus said -- to Cesar -- he came to bear witness to the truth- The Truth Project - What is a Worldview? he Truth Project Lesson 2 Teaser - "Philosophy and Ethics: Says Who?" http://youtu.be/k51PgdUv__E THE SINGULAR TRUTH! It is the singular and normal path to conditional salvation. Amen. Heaven and Hell are REAL. Pray about it.

it easy to be wrong if you think you are righteous patrick j miron

[QUOTE=PJM;10401129]No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life.

Consider these FACTS:[all provable from the bible itself; space permitting]

Because we KNOW their is Only One God: "Perfect and Triune" their logically and factually can Only be One right set of Faith beliefs. God who IS Perfect simply cannot hold differing; even contradictory views on the identical issues. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Christ invented the term "church" to make clear

 

Published on Mar 21, 2013

This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013. To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com.

He was founding a New and a Necessary way to heaven
Pagans had Temples
Jews had Synagogues

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_60iEt2EM


Christ followers WOULD have "church's"

Because the Bible was completely authored by the end of the 1st. Century; the Bibles Canon set [the books selected and confirmed as Divinely Inspired]



 in the early 4th. Century



AND NO OTHER "CHURCH" would even exist for about 700 years;
this is so false doctrune




 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du8v25CkG_M

 each and every reference to "church" in the bible refers ONLY to today's CC.






ONLY the CC has




Jesus own protection Jn. 17: 15-19



The SEVEN Sacraments EACH instituted by Jesus Himself

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbllkrihjFQ

Jesus TRULY Present in the Eucharist


The Sacrament of KNOWN forgiveness of sins [the Only method APPROVED by God]
The Entirety of Christ Faith Teachings
T
he ONLY Key's and access to heaven

So anyone; and everyone for ANY reason who chooses to abandon the CC does factually put their SOULS at grave risk.

St Paul warns of DIRE consequences for those who deny and abandon Christ only founded Church and set of Faith beliefs:

Heb. 6: 4-8 "For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [B][COLOR="Red"]crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery[/COLOR][/B]. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God.[B][COLOR="Red"] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt[/COLOR][/B].

IT IS FAR MORE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE EFFORT TO LEARN WHAT AND WHY WE BELIEVE AS WE DO BECAUSE IT IS;  because IT IS; THE SINGULAR TRUTH! It is the singular and normal path to conditional salvation. Amen.

Heaven and Hell are REAL. Pray about it.

God bless,
Pat/PJM[/QUOTE]

Bias in the Bible: Why say "Church" instead of "Synagogue"?

[QUOTE=PJM;10401129]


No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life.


interesting to review all your baptism "facts" from your previous postings

Consider these FACTS:[all provable from the bible itself; space permitting]

Because we KNOW their is Only One God: "Perfect and Triune" their logically and factually can Only be One right set of Faith beliefs. God who IS Perfect simply cannot hold differing; even contradictory views on the identical issues. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Christ invented the term "church" to make clear

He was founding a New and a Necessary way to heaven

Pagans had Temples

Jews had Synagogues


Christ followers WOULD have "church's"

Because the Bible was completely authored by the end of the 1st. Century;

 the Bibles Canon set [the books selected and confirmed as Divinely Inspired] in the early 4th. Century

AND NO OTHER "CHURCH"

pjm-- every thing was changed and all Jewish traditions were eliminated with emperor Constantine

 Published on Nov 17, 2012

Birth of the Catholic Church and Hanukah.

The great delusion, apostasy and falling away has been happening for thousands of years and is the largest organization on the planet with many factions.

These little videos point out the pieces and parts in you life that are part of the sun god delusion and those that are part of the true God.

 The True God has asked you to prove all things and to keep what is good and true.

He has also asked us to have nothing to do with the ways of Babylon and to come out of her.

 The Great Delusion Falling Away Apostasy Antichrist Mark of the Best Idolatry



Which where is the true church of God Pope, Francis, Jesuit, Oath, Black, Tribulation, War




 would even exist for about 700 years;

 each and every reference to "church" in the bible refers ONLY to today's CC.


thank you PJM --


interesting belief that Jesus invented the word church

Bias in the Bible: Why say "Church" instead of "Synagogue"?

 message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013.

 To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings


When did the "Church" REALLY Begin?

Published on Mar 21, 2013

This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013. To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com.

http://youtu.be/hjd_83IYAHA

Published on Mar 21, 2013

This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled

 "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013.

 To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com.


there are a number of untrue  historical facts that you hold to be true--

keep in mind-- there really are only one set of life instruction from the GOD, of abraham issah jacob, referred to as YAWAH , and these instruction are reflected in the TORAH and the books of the prophets--

and as Jesus didn't add to the TORAH or take away-- it is interesting that "religion" seems to do that-- and that was the "big" conflect that Jesus had with the religious group he was involved with--

but thanks for the info-- did you learn all this in Religion class?,

Feb 24, '13, 5:27 am

PJM Senior Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 8,815 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Different religion Quote: =ThePerson;10396044]I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you. No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life.     DELUSIOIN historical Consider these FACTS:   DELUSIOIN historical [all provable from the bible itself; space permitting]     Editor note  BECAUSE we know that the JEWISH GOD YAWAH   Because we KNOW their is Only One God: "Perfect and Triune" their logically and factually can    Only be One right set of Faith beliefs. contained in the TORAH     God who IS Perfect simply cannot hold differing; even contradictory views on the identical issues. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.the JEWISH GOD YAWAH Christ invented the term "church" to make clear    DELUSIOIN historical He was founding a New and a Necessary way to heaven Pagans had Temples Jews had Synagogues Christ followers WOULD have "church's" Because the Bible was completely authored by the end of the 1st. Century; the Bibles Canon set [the books selected and confirmed as Divinely Inspired] in the early 4th.   until 310ad with constine Constantine Outlaws Sabbath - Forces all to Worship on Sun god Day - Lawless ApostasyRestoration·83 videos 311 6,062 45     4 Uploaded on Aug 13, 2011 The fifth point of the true Assemblies of the True God is that they follow the true and original Sabbath of the True God on the seventh day of the week and not the first or the sun god day of Lucifer. Did the original Christians worship on the sun god day? No, So why do so many so called Christians worship on the sun god day? The answer again is the antichrist Emperor Constantine, the sun god worshiper. On March 7th, AD 321 he decried: From: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380 "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)" From: Stanley's History of the Eastern Church, p. 184. "The retention of the old pagan name of dies Solis, or 'Sunday,' for the weekly Christian festival, is in great measure owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, pagan and Christian alike, as the 'venerable day of the Sun.'" -- From: Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, ch. 22. Church historian Socrates Scholasticus (5th century) wrote: "For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [of the Lord's Supper] on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this." From: Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church, page 105. "Great as were the favors which Constantine showed to the church, they were only for that strong, close-knit, hierarchically organized portion that called itself Catholic. The various [so-called] heretical sects could look for no bounty from his hands." Emperor Constantine forced many in his empire to apostatize from the true Christian church and follow the sun god Sabbath, by taking their lands, possessions, lives and imprisoning and torturing them if they did not comply. He also created within the sun god church of the empire or the catholic church, a college for the those apostates willing to take the mark of the beast, follow the false Sabbath, follow the false practices and teachings of the sun god so they can keep their lands, homes businesses, family members and lives. Thus we the church of the world has the sun god holidays, Sabbath, celibate priesthoods, sun god mass, sun god mark instead of baptism by immersion in the name of Yeshua, many also war with their neighbors, pay interest on loans, have popes, crusades, inquisitions -- and all of these sun god cults have lost of the Holy Spirit of God, his power, authority and gifts having diluted their teachings and practices with many of the antichrist's teachings and practices which are now accepted by many of the world as christianity. The original Christians pre-Constantine and true Christians today keep the Sabbath of the Lord on the seventh day of the week, since they don't follow the Sun god or the antichrist Constantine and his followers that enforce the lies of the great delusion. Yes if you're interested in finding the true assemblies of God, this simple truth will help you cull out thousands of the false churches. There is no evidence where the Sabbath day was changed in the Bible, or that the apostles and members of Christ kept the sun god day prior to Emperors Constantine's decree. In fact it does point out that the true Christians or Messianic Jews kept the holidays and Sabbaths commanded by God, even after the resurrection of our Lord Yeshua. Let's look at how they acted, and taught concerning the 7th day Sabbath of our Lord. Matthew 24:20 Pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on a Sabbath, Mark 1:21 They went into Kafar-Nachum, and immediately on the day of Sabbath he entered Sabbath day sunset Friday Saturday sun down seventh last of week God Lord Yeshua Jesus gospel teaching doctrine points true church assemblies Messiah antichrist Christ false first Constantine Emperor Catholic inquisition crusade lies delusion worship veneration persecution leaders followers theology members pagan Pentecost supporters holy keep original Christian instructions command commands commandments Passover Yom Kippur sukkot shofar Rashhashanna Messianic War 2012 End Last WoldYes the apostles meet on other holidays such as Passover, Pentecost and Yom Kippur beliefs Christian lawless Pope, Francis, Jesuit, Oath, Black, Tribulation, War Category People & Blogs      Century AND NO OTHER "CHURCH" would even exist for about 700 years; DELUSIOIN historical     each and every reference to "church" in the bible refers ONLY to today's CC. When did the "Church" REALLY Begin? PassionForTruthVideo·322 videos 9,177 657 views 18     1 Published on Mar 21, 2013 This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013. To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com. ONLY the CC has   http://youtu.be/sU_60iEt2EM Birth of the Catholic Church - A Sun god Delusion and Im… 166 views | 5 months ago Birth of the Catholic Church - A Sun god Delusion and Image of the Beast ApostasyRestoration·83 videos 311 166 views 4     0 Published on Nov 17, 2012 Birth of the Catholic Church and Hanukah. The great delusion, apostasy and falling away has been happening for thousands of years and is the largest organization on the planet with many factions. These little videos point out the pieces and parts in you life that are part of the sun god delusion and those that are part of the true God. The True God has asked you to prove all things and to keep what is good and true. He has also asked us to have nothing to do with the ways of Babylon and to come out of her. The Great Delusion Falling Away Apostasy Antichrist Mark of the Best Idolatry False god sun god True God Babylon Creation of the Great and Abominable Catholic Orthodox Church Last Days End Time Christian Beliefs Resurrected Yeshua Still has a body not an Incarnation trinity father son holy ghost Easter Lent Christmas Days of the Dead Crusades Inquisitions Jesuits Oath Sabbath day Interest usury bank Shepard bishop marriage pagan teachings beliefs practices faith monstrance cross image beast mark idol idolatry slavery free truth lie false true persecution kill Birthday Yeshua Christ Messiah grace Confess Saved Military War Restoration all things spirit of Elijah Catholic fornicate Idolatry adultery extortion worship veneration belief faith teachings practices baptism prayer mark beast image 666 end times one world religion new world order Which where is the true church of God Pope, Francis, Jesuit, Oath, Black, Tribulation, War     Jesus own protection Jn. 17: 15-19     The SEVEN Sacraments EACH instituted by Jesus Himself     Jesus TRULY Present in the Eucharist T   he Sacrament of KNOWN forgiveness of sins [the Only method APPROVED by God]   The Entirety of Christ Faith Teachings     The ONLY Key's and access to heaven So anyone; and everyone for ANY reason who chooses to abandon the CC does factually put their SOULS at grave risk. St Paul warns of DIRE consequences for those who deny and abandon Christ only founded Church and set of Faith beliefs: Heb. 6: 4-8 "For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt. IT IS FAR MORE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE EFFORT TO LEARN WHAT AND WHY WE BELIEVE AS WE DO BECAUSE IT IS; because IT IS; THE SINGULAR TRUTH! It is the singular and normal path to conditional salvation. Amen. Heaven and Hell are REAL. Pray about it. God bless, Pat/PJM __________________ PJM http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."

#14   Feb 24, '13, 8:12 am

JRKH Forum Elder   Join Date: September 14, 2007 Posts: 19,081 Religion: Catholic Revert

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by ThePerson I think she is afraid to tell anyone because she doesn't want them to think she is a bad person. I am not sure exactly what she wants to become, but I have seen her researching things like Wicca. I am also not sure exactly why she wants to leave the church because all she ever says is "It doesn't fit me." It might be useful for you to learn more about what she is looking into and why...Obviously she is looking for something that "fits her' and may not realize that it could very well exist within the Church. Being young her view of the Church is probably very legalistic. The Church has rules, and "bosses" etc. She likely sees the church as rather judgmental, and perhaps not very inclusive (gender issues?). She may see the Church as not being very tied to things natural or have a deeply spiritual aspect of the type that she might see in other belief systems. In most all of these cases she would be wrong. Yes the Church does have leaders and has many rules...but that is barely the surface and that surface only exists as evidence of much deeper and more profound spiritual aspects. If you can find out what is that draws her to some other faith or belief system, I'll wager that the same sort of spirituality can be found in Catholicism. You might ask her what her "ideal" spirituality would be (what "fits" her) and if you posted it here - or in a new thread - I'm sure that the good people here could point you and her to great spiritual reading and spiritual paths that would give her a great deal to think about and consider....(Catholics believe that???)(Catholic saints did that???) Try it. Be interested in her studies. Draw her out on what she is looking for. The Catholic Church headed by God's only Son, most likely has it in some form. Peace James __________________ The Best book on Spirituality that I ever Read: "The Fulfillment of All Desire" Oh my God , I will continue to perform, all my actions for the love of Thee Amen.

#15   Feb 24, '13, 2:49 pm

PJM Senior Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 8,815 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by The Person View Post I think she is afraid to tell anyone because she doesn't want them to think she is a bad person. I am not sure exactly what she wants to become, but I have seen her researching things like Wicca. I am also not sure exactly why she wants to leave the church because all she ever says is "It doesn't fit me." We were ALL young once [me a LONG time ago] But youth alone is not a sufficient excuse for what your friend contemplates. God gives each of us only One life and one is prudent to Recognize this fact. One has no Guarantee of old or even "older age." Heaven AND hell are real and Eternity IS forever. God Bless, pat/PJM __________________ PJM http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."

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Feb 24, '13, 5:27 am

PJM Senior Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 8,815 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Different religion Quote: =ThePerson;10396044]I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you. No; one Baptism is ALL that is permitted and NEEDED for life.     DELUSIOIN historical Consider these FACTS:   DELUSIOIN historical [all provable from the bible itself; space permitting]     Editor note  BECAUSE we know that the JEWISH GOD YAWAH   Because we KNOW their is Only One God: "Perfect and Triune" their logically and factually can    Only be One right set of Faith beliefs. contained in the TORAH     God who IS Perfect simply cannot hold differing; even contradictory views on the identical issues. SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.the JEWISH GOD YAWAH Christ invented the term "church" to make clear    DELUSIOIN historical He was founding a New and a Necessary way to heaven Pagans had Temples Jews had Synagogues Christ followers WOULD have "church's" Because the Bible was completely authored by the end of the 1st. Century; the Bibles Canon set [the books selected and confirmed as Divinely Inspired] in the early 4th.   until 310ad with constine Constantine Outlaws Sabbath - Forces all to Worship on Sun god Day - Lawless ApostasyRestoration·83 videos 311 6,062 45     4 Uploaded on Aug 13, 2011 The fifth point of the true Assemblies of the True God is that they follow the true and original Sabbath of the True God on the seventh day of the week and not the first or the sun god day of Lucifer. Did the original Christians worship on the sun god day? No, So why do so many so called Christians worship on the sun god day? The answer again is the antichrist Emperor Constantine, the sun god worshiper. On March 7th, AD 321 he decried: From: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380 "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)" From: Stanley's History of the Eastern Church, p. 184. "The retention of the old pagan name of dies Solis, or 'Sunday,' for the weekly Christian festival, is in great measure owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, pagan and Christian alike, as the 'venerable day of the Sun.'" -- From: Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, ch. 22. Church historian Socrates Scholasticus (5th century) wrote: "For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [of the Lord's Supper] on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this." From: Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church, page 105. "Great as were the favors which Constantine showed to the church, they were only for that strong, close-knit, hierarchically organized portion that called itself Catholic. The various [so-called] heretical sects could look for no bounty from his hands." Emperor Constantine forced many in his empire to apostatize from the true Christian church and follow the sun god Sabbath, by taking their lands, possessions, lives and imprisoning and torturing them if they did not comply. He also created within the sun god church of the empire or the catholic church, a college for the those apostates willing to take the mark of the beast, follow the false Sabbath, follow the false practices and teachings of the sun god so they can keep their lands, homes businesses, family members and lives. Thus we the church of the world has the sun god holidays, Sabbath, celibate priesthoods, sun god mass, sun god mark instead of baptism by immersion in the name of Yeshua, many also war with their neighbors, pay interest on loans, have popes, crusades, inquisitions -- and all of these sun god cults have lost of the Holy Spirit of God, his power, authority and gifts having diluted their teachings and practices with many of the antichrist's teachings and practices which are now accepted by many of the world as christianity. The original Christians pre-Constantine and true Christians today keep the Sabbath of the Lord on the seventh day of the week, since they don't follow the Sun god or the antichrist Constantine and his followers that enforce the lies of the great delusion. Yes if you're interested in finding the true assemblies of God, this simple truth will help you cull out thousands of the false churches. There is no evidence where the Sabbath day was changed in the Bible, or that the apostles and members of Christ kept the sun god day prior to Emperors Constantine's decree. In fact it does point out that the true Christians or Messianic Jews kept the holidays and Sabbaths commanded by God, even after the resurrection of our Lord Yeshua. Let's look at how they acted, and taught concerning the 7th day Sabbath of our Lord. Matthew 24:20 Pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on a Sabbath, Mark 1:21 They went into Kafar-Nachum, and immediately on the day of Sabbath he entered Sabbath day sunset Friday Saturday sun down seventh last of week God Lord Yeshua Jesus gospel teaching doctrine points true church assemblies Messiah antichrist Christ false first Constantine Emperor Catholic inquisition crusade lies delusion worship veneration persecution leaders followers theology members pagan Pentecost supporters holy keep original Christian instructions command commands commandments Passover Yom Kippur sukkot shofar Rashhashanna Messianic War 2012 End Last WoldYes the apostles meet on other holidays such as Passover, Pentecost and Yom Kippur beliefs Christian lawless Pope, Francis, Jesuit, Oath, Black, Tribulation, War Category People & Blogs      Century AND NO OTHER "CHURCH" would even exist for about 700 years; DELUSIOIN historical     each and every reference to "church" in the bible refers ONLY to today's CC. When did the "Church" REALLY Begin? PassionForTruthVideo·322 videos 9,177 657 views 18     1 Published on Mar 21, 2013 This excerpt is from Pastor Jim Staley's message entitled "Torah Portion Vayakhel/Pekudei", from March 9, 2013. To view the full message, go to http://youtu.be/tdccOILfqmE. For more teachings go to http://www.passionfortruth.com. ONLY the CC has   http://youtu.be/sU_60iEt2EM Birth of the Catholic Church - A Sun god Delusion and Im… 166 views | 5 months ago Birth of the Catholic Church - A Sun god Delusion and Image of the Beast ApostasyRestoration·83 videos 311 166 views 4     0 Published on Nov 17, 2012 Birth of the Catholic Church and Hanukah. The great delusion, apostasy and falling away has been happening for thousands of years and is the largest organization on the planet with many factions. These little videos point out the pieces and parts in you life that are part of the sun god delusion and those that are part of the true God. The True God has asked you to prove all things and to keep what is good and true. He has also asked us to have nothing to do with the ways of Babylon and to come out of her. The Great Delusion Falling Away Apostasy Antichrist Mark of the Best Idolatry False god sun god True God Babylon Creation of the Great and Abominable Catholic Orthodox Church Last Days End Time Christian Beliefs Resurrected Yeshua Still has a body not an Incarnation trinity father son holy ghost Easter Lent Christmas Days of the Dead Crusades Inquisitions Jesuits Oath Sabbath day Interest usury bank Shepard bishop marriage pagan teachings beliefs practices faith monstrance cross image beast mark idol idolatry slavery free truth lie false true persecution kill Birthday Yeshua Christ Messiah grace Confess Saved Military War Restoration all things spirit of Elijah Catholic fornicate Idolatry adultery extortion worship veneration belief faith teachings practices baptism prayer mark beast image 666 end times one world religion new world order Which where is the true church of God Pope, Francis, Jesuit, Oath, Black, Tribulation, War     Jesus own protection Jn. 17: 15-19     The SEVEN Sacraments EACH instituted by Jesus Himself     Jesus TRULY Present in the Eucharist T   he Sacrament of KNOWN forgiveness of sins [the Only method APPROVED by God]   The Entirety of Christ Faith Teachings     The ONLY Key's and access to heaven So anyone; and everyone for ANY reason who chooses to abandon the CC does factually put their SOULS at grave risk. St Paul warns of DIRE consequences for those who deny and abandon Christ only founded Church and set of Faith beliefs: Heb. 6: 4-8 "For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt. IT IS FAR MORE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE EFFORT TO LEARN WHAT AND WHY WE BELIEVE AS WE DO BECAUSE IT IS; because IT IS; THE SINGULAR TRUTH! It is the singular and normal path to conditional salvation. Amen. Heaven and Hell are REAL. Pray about it. God bless, Pat/PJM __________________ PJM http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."

#14   Feb 24, '13, 8:12 am

JRKH Forum Elder   Join Date: September 14, 2007 Posts: 19,081 Religion: Catholic Revert

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by ThePerson I think she is afraid to tell anyone because she doesn't want them to think she is a bad person. I am not sure exactly what she wants to become, but I have seen her researching things like Wicca. I am also not sure exactly why she wants to leave the church because all she ever says is "It doesn't fit me." It might be useful for you to learn more about what she is looking into and why...Obviously she is looking for something that "fits her' and may not realize that it could very well exist within the Church. Being young her view of the Church is probably very legalistic. The Church has rules, and "bosses" etc. She likely sees the church as rather judgmental, and perhaps not very inclusive (gender issues?). She may see the Church as not being very tied to things natural or have a deeply spiritual aspect of the type that she might see in other belief systems. In most all of these cases she would be wrong. Yes the Church does have leaders and has many rules...but that is barely the surface and that surface only exists as evidence of much deeper and more profound spiritual aspects. If you can find out what is that draws her to some other faith or belief system, I'll wager that the same sort of spirituality can be found in Catholicism. You might ask her what her "ideal" spirituality would be (what "fits" her) and if you posted it here - or in a new thread - I'm sure that the good people here could point you and her to great spiritual reading and spiritual paths that would give her a great deal to think about and consider....(Catholics believe that???)(Catholic saints did that???) Try it. Be interested in her studies. Draw her out on what she is looking for. The Catholic Church headed by God's only Son, most likely has it in some form. Peace James __________________ The Best book on Spirituality that I ever Read: "The Fulfillment of All Desire" Oh my God , I will continue to perform, all my actions for the love of Thee Amen.

#15   Feb 24, '13, 2:49 pm

PJM Senior Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 8,815 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by The Person View Post I think she is afraid to tell anyone because she doesn't want them to think she is a bad person. I am not sure exactly what she wants to become, but I have seen her researching things like Wicca. I am also not sure exactly why she wants to leave the church because all she ever says is "It doesn't fit me." We were ALL young once [me a LONG time ago] But youth alone is not a sufficient excuse for what your friend contemplates. God gives each of us only One life and one is prudent to Recognize this fact. One has no Guarantee of old or even "older age." Heaven AND hell are real and Eternity IS forever. God Bless, pat/PJM __________________ PJM http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."